Diarrhea while landing

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > The Real Bev writes: > I have to wonder why people need to slavishly follow rules which make no > sense. > The rules here make perfect sense.  Turbulence can be extremely violent, > and takeoffs and landings are times during which the aircraft is > particularly likely to make sudden movements that can injure passengers > and damage objects. > Clearly requiring innocent people to sit in their own shit or > burn to death is NOT sane. > It's better than losing the flight or having people killed.

Look, in this case the guy needed to take a shit.  When you gotta go, you gotta go.  Nobody died, or even got sick.  There's probably some rule about the impermissibility of fouling an airplane seat too.  The official response may or may not be sensible, but it's JUST A RULE!  Not carved in stone by some god, just a rule -- which is probably not really applicable to many of the situations to which it will be applied. I can't imagine that a real judge would mete out jail time for a bowel malfunction. > People really aren't so good at making rules > that the results of following them are never worse than the results of > breaking them. > Having diarrhea is not worse than being killed.

No, but I'm pretty sure the stewardess is not empowered to blow the head off anyone who gets out of his seat at an inopportune time.  I know people can get into trouble when they try to do more thinking than they're actually capable of, but preventing them from thinking at all is really not the way we need to go. -- Cheers, Bev You need only two tools: WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40. If it moves and shouldn't, use duct tape.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text ->>>If he's got IBD (crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis) could he claim >>>that his getting out of his seat was a mandated medical accommodation? >> No.  The applicable law makes no exceptions for medical accomodation. >Even a half-assed lawyer could file suit claiming that the airline and >government violated the passenger's civil rights. >>>I don't know if he's got IBD, but it would be a real reason for the need >>>of sudden bathroom access. >> Not "need" legally. >You have no clue what medical condition the OP is talking about. > And you do? > Any half-assed lawyer can be enouraged to sue most anyone for most > anything. > a GOOD lawyer is one who will tell you if you don't have a prayer of > winning.

And a BETTER lawyer will take the case and win anyway! -- Cheers, Bev It only takes 2 men to tile a bathroom if you slice them thinly enough.

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spamfree writes: > Even a half-assed lawyer could file suit claiming that the airline and > government violated the passenger's civil rights.

Civil rights?  No, I don't think so.  Which civil rights are violated? It might be an embarrassment to the passenger, but no rights are violated, and the law is obeyed. > You have no clue what medical condition the OP is talking about.

It doesn't matter what medical condition it is. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.

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Peter writes: > But what could he be charged with?

Failing to obey the orders of the flight crew (in the U.S.). > And how would it possibly hold up in court?

Easily. > All he's got to say is that he was desperate at the time.

Desperation is not a defense against this charge. > The attendants would be antsy because landing is a time when passengers > should be seated and strapped down just in case the plane encounters > trouble or turbulence. They might also be thinking about security, > though this would be something they'd probably be more worried about > during takeoff.

Yes. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.

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Dean writes: > Can they legally do anything to you in a case like this?

Yes, if you refuse to follow the instructions of the flight crew, you're violating Federal law (in the U.S.). > I mean, what could the guy do, he was literally shitting his pants.

The law makes no exceptions for diarrhea. > I'm sure it's better for the airline that he deposit the contents > of his bowels in the toilet and not on the seat and all over the > floor (and possibly on other passengers!).

He could follow crew instructions and then sue the airline afterwards for the embarrassment it caused him. > Would they press charges?

Not if they are smart, but in theory they can do so. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.

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Scott M. Kozel writes: > What if a fire breaks out under someone's seat?  

It won't.  But even then, he is required to remain strapped in. > Does your legalistic worldview allow them to get up then?

It's not a legalistic worldview, it's a safety worldview.  There's a good reason why everyone has to be strapped in.  I've seen what happens when they aren't strapped in in the emergency room. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.

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Buttercup writes: > If he's got IBD (crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis) could he claim > that his getting out of his seat was a mandated medical accommodation?

Not unless he had previously apprised the airline of this in advance and reached a special agreement with them. > I don't know if he's got IBD, but it would be a real reason for the need > of sudden bathroom access.

So is ordinary diarrhea, but the law does not recognize these as exceptions. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.

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ameijers writes: > And at certain airports (like > Reagan in DC), if anyone hops up after the seat belt light is on, they > <abort the landing>, and either circle or divert. Guess they think there is > a risk of a takeover on final approach, and somebody Kamikazing the plane > into Capitol or White House, like #4 was gonna do back on 9/11.

I'm surprised that anyone still flies. > I'm VERY careful of, and limit, what I eat and drink the 24 hours before a > flight these days- especially if I don't have a confirmed aisle seat. Once > you subtract out the takeoff and landing segments, and the time the aisle is > blocked with drink carts, and figure how many people will be in line, the > available potty slots get limited real fast. I never have been real fond of > flying, but these last few years, they barely pretend that you are anything > but cargo.

And _suspect_ cargo at that. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text ->>If he's got IBD (crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis) could he claim >>that his getting out of his seat was a mandated medical accommodation? > No.  The applicable law makes no exceptions for medical accomodation. >Even a half-assed lawyer could file suit claiming that the airline and >government violated the passenger's civil rights. >>I don't know if he's got IBD, but it would be a real reason for the need >>of sudden bathroom access. > Not "need" legally. >You have no clue what medical condition the OP is talking about. >Casey

And you do? Any half-assed lawyer can be enouraged to sue most anyone for most anything. a GOOD lawyer is one who will tell you if you don't have a prayer of winning.

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>>If he's got IBD (crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis) could he claim >that his getting out of his seat was a mandated medical accommodation? > No.  The applicable law makes no exceptions for medical accomodation.

Even a half-assed lawyer could file suit claiming that the airline and government violated the passenger's civil rights. >I don't know if he's got IBD, but it would be a real reason for the need >of sudden bathroom access. > Not "need" legally.

You have no clue what medical condition the OP is talking about. Casey

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>>I'd try to make sure that I was empty *before* >landing. It's not as if it comes as a surprise > I beg to differ.  It *has* come on with suprising urgency in a very > very short amount of time.  Biology works somewhat differently for > different folks.

Yes, people with dysentery, food poisoning, or stomach flu will be amazed to hear that it is never a surprise.  Note to the OP: since you are obviously clueless, try looking up the word diarrhea in the dictionary. Casey

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> > >If he's got IBD (crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis) could he claim > > >that his getting out of his seat was a mandated medical accommodation? > > No.  The applicable law makes no exceptions for medical accomodation. > > The law says that *all* passengers *must* be seated with a seatbelt > > fastened during taxi, take-off and landing. > What if a fire breaks out under someone's seat? > Does your legalistic worldview allow them to get up then? > I have to wonder why people need to slavishly follow rules which make no > sense.  Clearly requiring innocent people to sit in their own shit or > burn to death is NOT sane.  People really aren't so good at making rules > that the results of following them are never worse than the results of > breaking them.

Fortunately, that is what judges are for.  Hopefully.

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> >If he's got IBD (crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis) could he claim >that his getting out of his seat was a mandated medical accommodation? > No.  The applicable law makes no exceptions for medical accomodation. > The law says that *all* passengers *must* be seated with a seatbelt > fastened during taxi, take-off and landing.

What if a fire breaks out under someone's seat?   Does your legalistic worldview allow them to get up then?

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> >If he's got IBD (crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis) could he claim > >that his getting out of his seat was a mandated medical accommodation? > No.  The applicable law makes no exceptions for medical accomodation. > The law says that *all* passengers *must* be seated with a seatbelt > fastened during taxi, take-off and landing. > What if a fire breaks out under someone's seat? > Does your legalistic worldview allow them to get up then?

I have to wonder why people need to slavishly follow rules which make no sense.  Clearly requiring innocent people to sit in their own shit or burn to death is NOT sane.  People really aren't so good at making rules that the results of following them are never worse than the results of breaking them. -- Cheers, Bev               ...so few snipers, so many politicians...

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>If he's got IBD (crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis) could he claim >that his getting out of his seat was a mandated medical accommodation?

No.  The applicable law makes no exceptions for medical accomodation. The law says that *all* passengers *must* be seated with a seatbelt fastened during taxi, take-off and landing. >I don't know if he's got IBD, but it would be a real reason for the need >of sudden bathroom access.

Not "need" legally. Malc.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text ->During a recent transatlantic flight, as we were landing, a passenger got >out of his seat and ran to the toilet.  The flight attendants at the back >tried to stop him but he told them that he had diarrhea and locked himself >up in the toilet until after we landed.  The flight attendants were furious >and must have notified the authorities because when we got to the gate the >they came on and went to the back to talk to the passenger.  I'm not sure >how it ended but I'm pretty sure he was getting arrested as we were walking >off the plane. >Can they legally do anything to you in a case like this?  I mean, what could >the guy do, he was literally shitting his pants.  I'm sure it's better for >the airline that he deposit the contents of his bowels in the toilet and not >on the seat and all over the floor (and possibly on other passengers!). >Would they press charges? > O boy, he was in the shit, hey? > But what could he be charged with? And how would it possibly hold up in > court? All he's got to say is that he was desperate at the time. Poor > bloke was probably hoping he could hold it in until after landing.

If he's got IBD (crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis) could he claim that his getting out of his seat was a mandated medical accommodation? I don't know if he's got IBD, but it would be a real reason for the need of sudden bathroom access. -- CC---diagnosed Crohnnie since 1991 Why does there only have to be one correct philosophy?  I don't want to go and follow you just to end up like on of them and why are you always telling me what you want me to believe? I'd like to think that I can go my own way and meet you in the end. --Hoobastank "Same Direction"

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>O boy, he was in the shit, hey? >But what could he be charged with?

Failing to obey the lawful instructions of the flight crew, particularly in regards to FAR 121.311(b). > And how would it possibly hold up in >court?

It's a clear violation of 121.311(b), so it would hold up perfectly well! > All he's got to say is that he was desperate at the time.

121.311(b) provides no dispensations for that. >Poor >bloke was probably hoping he could hold it in until after landing.

I'm hoping to win the lottery. >The attendants would be antsy because landing is a time when passengers >should be seated and strapped down just in case the plane encounters >trouble or turbulence.

And, of course, because it's the law that passengers *must* (not "should") be seated and strapped in. > They might also be thinking about security,

Yes. >though this would be something they'd probably be more worried about >during takeoff.

No. Malc.

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>I'd try to make sure that I was empty *before* >landing. It's not as if it comes as a surprise > I beg to differ.  It *has* come on with suprising urgency in a very > very short amount of time.  Biology works somewhat differently for > different folks.

Sometimes caused by the food that the airline served...

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>I'd try to make sure that I was empty *before* >landing. It's not as if it comes as a surprise

I beg to differ.  It *has* come on with suprising urgency in a very very short amount of time.  Biology works somewhat differently for different folks.

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> ... I'm VERY careful of, and limit, what I eat and drink the 24 hours > before a > ... flight these days- especially if I don't have a confirmed aisle seat. > Once > ... you subtract out the takeoff and landing segments, and the time the > aisle is > ... blocked with drink carts, and figure how many people will be in line, > the > ... available potty slots get limited real fast. I never have been real > fond of > ... flying, but these last few years, they barely pretend that you are > anything > ... but cargo.

This should get those drink carts out of the way for you... http://www.sportys.com/acb/webpage.cfm?&DID=19&WebPage_ID=68

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"Dean" wrote... > arrested as we were walking off the plane. > Can they legally do anything to you in a case like this?

Usually, the just scare the shit out of them....

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> During a recent transatlantic flight, as we were landing, a passenger got > out of his seat and ran to the toilet.  The flight attendants at the back > tried to stop him but he told them that he had diarrhea and locked himself > up in the toilet until after we landed.  The flight attendants were furious > and must have notified the authorities because when we got to the gate the > they came on and went to the back to talk to the passenger.  I'm not sure > how it ended but I'm pretty sure he was getting arrested as we were walking > off the plane. > Can they legally do anything to you in a case like this?  I mean, what could > the guy do, he was literally shitting his pants.  I'm sure it's better for > the airline that he deposit the contents of his bowels in the toilet and not > on the seat and all over the floor (and possibly on other passengers!). > Would they press charges?

O boy, he was in the shit, hey? But what could he be charged with? And how would it possibly hold up in court? All he's got to say is that he was desperate at the time. Poor bloke was probably hoping he could hold it in until after landing. The attendants would be antsy because landing is a time when passengers should be seated and strapped down just in case the plane encounters trouble or turbulence. They might also be thinking about security, though this would be something they'd probably be more worried about during takeoff. If it was me, I'd take my chances and head for the dunny. I'd rather spend time explaining myself to cabin staff and security than go through immigration, baggage claim and customs with shit leaking out of my trousers. Then again, I'd try to make sure that I was empty *before* landing. It's not as if it comes as a surprise on a flight across the Atlantic.

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ameijers says... > Dunno if any airline in their right mind would press charges (think of the > shitty publicity), but the law (In US, at least) does say you have to follow > the directions of the flight attendants. And at certain airports (like > Reagan in DC), if anyone hops up after the seat belt light is on, they > <abort the landing>, and either circle or divert. Guess they think there is > a risk of a takeover on final approach, and somebody Kamikazing the plane > into Capitol or White House, like #4 was gonna do back on 9/11.

Considering the volume of traffic at National, that's pretty serious to miss your landing slot there. I understand that for the final hour passengers are strapped in, which for many flights probably means that you can't get out of your seat at all between takeoff and landing. > I'm VERY careful of, and limit, what I eat and drink the 24 hours before a > flight these days- especially if I don't have a confirmed aisle seat. Once > you subtract out the takeoff and landing segments, and the time the aisle is > blocked with drink carts, and figure how many people will be in line, the > available potty slots get limited real fast. I never have been real fond of > flying, but these last few years, they barely pretend that you are anything > but cargo.

I can't make it across the Pacific without going once or twice, but I won't touch alcohol aboard, and refuse tea or coffee for all but the shortest flights. I'll drink water and juice, though, as they keep the air so dry you need to keep up fluid levels. I also make sure that one of the last things I do before boarding is to visit the facilities. Pete, snipping out the air disasters group

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During a recent transatlantic flight, as we were landing, a passenger got out of his seat and ran to the toilet.  The flight attendants at the back tried to stop him but he told them that he had diarrhea and locked himself up in the toilet until after we landed.  The flight attendants were furious and must have notified the authorities because when we got to the gate the they came on and went to the back to talk to the passenger.  I'm not sure how it ended but I'm pretty sure he was getting arrested as we were walking off the plane. Can they legally do anything to you in a case like this?  I mean, what could the guy do, he was literally shitting his pants.  I'm sure it's better for the airline that he deposit the contents of his bowels in the toilet and not on the seat and all over the floor (and possibly on other passengers!). Would they press charges?

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > During a recent transatlantic flight, as we were landing, a passenger got > out of his seat and ran to the toilet.  The flight attendants at the back > tried to stop him but he told them that he had diarrhea and locked himself > up in the toilet until after we landed.  The flight attendants were furious > and must have notified the authorities because when we got to the gate the > they came on and went to the back to talk to the passenger.  I'm not sure > how it ended but I'm pretty sure he was getting arrested as we were walking > off the plane. > Can they legally do anything to you in a case like this?  I mean, what could > the guy do, he was literally shitting his pants.  I'm sure it's better for > the airline that he deposit the contents of his bowels in the toilet and not > on the seat and all over the floor (and possibly on other passengers!). > Would they press charges?

Dunno if any airline in their right mind would press charges (think of the shitty publicity), but the law (In US, at least) does say you have to follow the directions of the flight attendants. And at certain airports (like Reagan in DC), if anyone hops up after the seat belt light is on, they <abort the landing>, and either circle or divert. Guess they think there is a risk of a takeover on final approach, and somebody Kamikazing the plane into Capitol or White House, like #4 was gonna do back on 9/11. I'm VERY careful of, and limit, what I eat and drink the 24 hours before a flight these days- especially if I don't have a confirmed aisle seat. Once you subtract out the takeoff and landing segments, and the time the aisle is blocked with drink carts, and figure how many people will be in line, the available potty slots get limited real fast. I never have been real fond of flying, but these last few years, they barely pretend that you are anything but cargo. aem sends... aem sends...

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