Probiotics

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> so amy > what exactly is your probiotics supposed to do > i think your on the rightr track. > d > Taking them orally (eating them) did nothing for me. And > i tried for years. Fermented wheat berries and cabbage etc. > I think it was called rejuvelac or some such. > So, if the average p person reads this and runs out > to buy some orally taken flora pill, he/she may have > the same poor results that i did. If your stomach and > small intestine are working fine in the first place > these things simply won’t make it to the targeted area > in enough strenght to do any good. And also recall > that after i had the implant > (that would be up the butt, Bob) > that i still needed to stay on a strict diet to > grow out the ones that hung around. (They will > subdivide at the rate of 17M a day given the > right enviroment. And a month is required to > grow these puppies out to maximum effects) > So, how long would it take to eat a few pills, > even if you were on the right diet? Months, maybe > years. Whose gonna hang around for that lenght of time? > Without seeing some results not many. > This is why alternatives get a bad name. Unrealistic > claims and a bad protocol, just to market some worthless > Pills. IMO > And furthermore the treatment thru www.thewholewhey.com > washes the colon before the quart of stuff is implanted > to obtain better results.

This is a critical point. If the colon is alkaline and not slightly acid then it must be prepared for the implantation. Analogous to adjusting the soil Ph before planting a garden. > If you want to mickey mouse around with this stuff > be my guest. Otherwise do the one and only proven > routine that worked for a known P fanatic.

Ok, a little to over the top. If anyone wants to try the flora pills and tabs i’ll post some sites to obtain them. Who am i to say you won’t get some relief. I think i have 800#’s in my pile of stuff on this topic. (snip) > If the generation of immune modulating items is related to LPS, > then any factor that downregulates the CRAP is whats needed. > Recall that this is a basket of maladies and shootin a few > bullets will leave iatrogenic effects downstream. > Like liver and kidney disruption over a lifetime followed > by more gruesome ways to die.

Man, you’d think i was selling something. LOL > I’ll take my elixirs at the source please without any > urine icecubes, windex or XXX trimmings, please.

Sorry again, That clipper person is instructing me to catch more fish with honey then flys with crap. If this p thing is a basket of maladies then a lifestyle that deals with them by order of importance is whats called for. A workable colon makes sense regardless of what diseases you have. Toss in some good adrenals (maybe to good) and a few other well functioning organs and the crude of P just blows right out the skin. Are some of us to healthy? A cheerful idea that means to me, rerouting the crap thru a stronger colon makes sense. Not a cure, but a strong ally in the battle. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> randall… sometimes a great notion. laying logs! in the crapper.

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> so amy > what exactly is your probiotics supposed to do > i think your on the rightr track. > d

Taking them orally (eating them) did nothing for me. And i tried for years. Fermented wheat berries and cabbage etc. I think it was called rejuvelac or some such. So, if the average p person reads this and runs out to buy some orally taken flora pill, he/she may have the same poor results that i did. If your stomach and small intestine are working fine in the first place these things simply won’t make it to the targeted area in enough strenght to do any good. And also recall that after i had the implant (that would be up the butt, Bob) that i still needed to stay on a strict diet to grow out the ones that hung around. (They will subdivide at the rate of 17M a day given the right enviroment. And a month is required to grow these puppies out to maximum effects) So, how long would it take to eat a few pills, even if you were on the right diet? Months, maybe years. Whose gonna hang around for that lenght of time? Without seeing some results not many. This is why alternatives get a bad name. Unrealistic claims and a bad protocol, just to market some worthless Pills. IMO And furthermore the treatment thru www.thewholewhey.com washes the colon before the quart of stuff is implanted to obtain better results. If you want to mickey mouse around with this stuff be my guest. Otherwise do the one and only proven routine that worked for a known P fanatic. > read this its interesting > Inhibition of pro-inflammatory cytokine generation by CTLA4-Ig in the skin > and colon of mice adoptively transplanted with CD45RBhi CD4+ T cells > correlates with suppression of psoriasis and colitis.

BUTT, does it do anything to stop the cause of the problem? It looks like another good bullet in stage three tests. And has problems with the patents between BM and repligen. Have a look. www.repligen.com/News/PressReleases/pr020418.html www.repligen.com/Research/CTLA4/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Davenport CM, McAdams HA, Kou J, Mascioli K, Eichman C, Healy L, Peterson J, > Murphy S, Coppola D, Truneh A > Department of Immunology, GlaxoSmithKline Pharmaceuticals, King of Prussia, > [Medline record in process] > Transfer of CD45RBhi CD4 + naive T cells into severe combined > immunodeficient (SCID) mice induces colitis and skin lesions. Recipients > treated with cyclosporin A (CsA), CTLA4-Ig, or vehicle were evaluated for > weight loss, skin lesions, and cutaneous blood flow. Necropsy, histological, > hematological and cytokine analyses were performed at the conclusion of the > experiment to confirm the clinical findings. Vehicle-treated mice lost > weight and had 100% incidence of skin lesions by 46-days. CsA-treated mice > also lost weight, but only 3/8 mice developed mild, clinically evident skin > lesions. In contrast, all CTLA4-Ig-treated mice gained weight and did not > develop skin lesions. Increase in cutaneous blood flow correlated with the > development of skin lesions. Granulocyte numbers, which were high or > moderately high in the vehicle- or CsA-treated mice, respectively, remained > as low in the CTLA4-Ig-treated group as in untreated mice. IFN-gamma, > IL-1beta, and TNF-alpha levels in the gut and skin correlated with the > extent of inflammation in both organs. Histology revealed that CTLA4-Ig but > not CsA effectively prevented both autoimmune disorders. The ability of > CTLA4-Ig to prevent both colitis and skin lesions suggests that > CD28-dependent co-stimulation of T cells is critical for generation of > pro-inflammatory cytokines and induction of clinical disease in such > autoimmune disorders.

If the generation of immune modulating items is related to LPS, then any factor that downregulates the CRAP is whats needed. Recall that this is a basket of maladies and shootin a few bullets will leave iatrogenic effects downstream. Like liver and kidney disruption over a lifetime followed by more gruesome ways to die. I’ll take my elixirs at the source please without any urine icecubes, windex or XXX trimmings, please. randall… sometimes a great notion. laying logs!

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I am reading a book called Patient Heal Thyself. My sister picked it up for me at Wild Oats. It is about a young man who was diagnosed with Crohn’s disease and who started a business called Garden of Life. I am a little scared of taking Primal Defense. Am I just to peranoid. Please give me your opinion. Thank You

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Probiotics have not been shown to cause any harm in any of the many studies I have read. So there is no need to be apprehensive about taking them. The worst thing that can happen is that they would do nothing and that is just a waste of money. As far as Primal Defense, it consists of bacteria found in the ground. I don’t have a clear feeling about this but it is possible that we need these types of bacteria for proper intestinal health. There have been studies which indicate that we may be living in too sterile of an environment and that that may actually cause health problems. It is a well known fact that there are bacteria which are not only beneficial to intestinal health but may also be absolutely necessary for such health. And a healthy stool output may be made up of as much as 50% bacteria. I’m not certain of the % but you’d be surprised how much of it is bacteria. There importance cannot be overstated – imho! Personally I have taken a number of Probiotic supplements which I feel have helped me a great deal. One of them is by Nature’s Way called Primodophilus Bifidus. This contains a number of beneficial bacteria which are found naturally in the intestines. A 90 day supply costs about $11 so it’s not going to break you to give it a try. I have heard of positive results from people taking Primal Defense but there are so many different bacteria in the gut that what works for one person may not work for another. However the benefits of probiotics has been clearly proven by many studies. So you may need to do some experimenting to find what works for you. The occurrence of any negative side effects is non-existent and I’ve read many studies which tested for efficacy. Actually there was one study which one person got worse but over 80% of the people got better and some had no change. So if you belief in odds then the odds are in your favor. On the other hand there are many known negative effects of the common drugs that are prescribed for IBD and some of them are serious. Also most yogurts contain probiotics and some even have additional strains such as Stony Field Farms. Thousands of people eat yogurt everyday and again, no problems from the embedded probiotics. You need to know that your intestines contains millions if not billions of bacteria. Some may not have any health role while some may be bad and some are definitely good. But you need to have the right balance of the good bacteria so taking probiotics in whatever form can help maintain that balance. Regards, Jeff 2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am reading a book called Patient Heal Thyself. My sister picked it up for me > at Wild Oats. It is about a young man who was diagnosed with Crohn’s disease > and who started a business called Garden of Life. I am a little scared of > taking Primal Defense. Am I just to peranoid. Please give me your opinion. > Thank You

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I’m taking them as well…trouble with the D when taking primal defense…I think it is just getting the junk out of my system…have not been on themd consistently to know if they are helping!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here’s a link: http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/literature/index.html#pd > These are the probiotics I’m taking (Primal Defense). The link is to a list > of articles describing what they do. If you snoop around on the site you > can find testimonials from others who are taking them. Since I’ve only > been on them about a month, I don’t want to give a whole-hearted endorsement > of them, but I will say I am noticing gradual but definite improvements in > my energy levels, digestion, and reduction of pain. > I’ve posted elsewhere on this board requesting that anyone else who has used > this stuff please respond with both positive and negative comments. I’m > fervently praying that someone will find a remedy for our condition that > WORKS. > I’m going to have my first colonoscopy in a couple of weeks, and not > looking forward to it. My mother has told me I should look into using > probiotics after the procedure to help reset the system. > I’m wondering how I go about finding "good" probiotics? Are there any > that are specifically recommended by CCFA or other medical organizations? > Can anyone point articles or medical studies that do comparisons on them? > Thanks, > rev

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I had a friend that did probiotics for about 6 months and he was feeling great… Then, as Crohn’s will do… He started getting ill again and now is questioning his use of the probiotics… I am not telling you not to try it, just telling you an experience I know of…. Marlena – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’m going to have my first colonoscopy in a couple of weeks, and not >looking forward to it. My mother has told me I should look into using >probiotics after the procedure to help reset the system. >I’m wondering how I go about finding "good" probiotics? Are there any >that are specifically recommended by CCFA or other medical organizations? >Can anyone point articles or medical studies that do comparisons on them? >Thanks, >rev

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Here’s a link: http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/literature/index.html#pd These are the probiotics I’m taking (Primal Defense). The link is to a list of articles describing what they do. If you snoop around on the site you can find testimonials from others who are taking them. Since I’ve only been on them about a month, I don’t want to give a whole-hearted endorsement of them, but I will say I am noticing gradual but definite improvements in my energy levels, digestion, and reduction of pain. I’ve posted elsewhere on this board requesting that anyone else who has used this stuff please respond with both positive and negative comments. I’m fervently praying that someone will find a remedy for our condition that WORKS.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m going to have my first colonoscopy in a couple of weeks, and not > looking forward to it. My mother has told me I should look into using > probiotics after the procedure to help reset the system. > I’m wondering how I go about finding "good" probiotics? Are there any > that are specifically recommended by CCFA or other medical organizations? > Can anyone point articles or medical studies that do comparisons on them? > Thanks, > rev

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I don’t know any independent place where probiotics are reviewed. It stands to reason that different strains can be beneficial or not, though I don’t even know if some of the products themselves are sure about which is in them. I can say that I believe there is a benefit to taking them after a stomach bug that pretty much wiped me out like a colonoscopy prep would…I’m still not quite back to normal from a bug 4 weeks ago. Kim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Nothing to reset, antibiotics aren’t given for a colonoscopy. > I think probiotics are good for all IBD patients but the evidence is pretty > scarce or non-existent. I suggest eating Yogurt. Not only does it contain > probiotics, it’s cheap and good for you (much better than other desserts). > Michael > I’m going to have my first colonoscopy in a couple of weeks, and not > looking forward to it. My mother has told me I should look into using > probiotics after the procedure to help reset the system. > I’m wondering how I go about finding "good" probiotics? Are there any > that are specifically recommended by CCFA or other medical organizations? > Can anyone point articles or medical studies that do comparisons on them? > Thanks, > rev

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I’m going to have my first colonoscopy in a couple of weeks, and not looking forward to it. My mother has told me I should look into using probiotics after the procedure to help reset the system. I’m wondering how I go about finding "good" probiotics? Are there any that are specifically recommended by CCFA or other medical organizations? Can anyone point articles or medical studies that do comparisons on them? Thanks, rev

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Nothing to reset, antibiotics aren’t given for a colonoscopy. I think probiotics are good for all IBD patients but the evidence is pretty scarce or non-existent. I suggest eating Yogurt. Not only does it contain probiotics, it’s cheap and good for you (much better than other desserts). Michael

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Sorry, the link didn’t go directly to the page I copied it from. You can search by Product Type to find the Probiotic info. They have several products. Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Probiotics are simply bacteria. But not just any bacteria, they are bacteria > that have been identified as having beneficial functions in the digestive > tract. Science has shown that there are at least 200-300 different bacteria > that inhabit the intestines. Some of them are bad and can cause serious > problems such as with food poisoning and some of them may be necessary for > good intestinal health. There is a good body of evidence that suggests that > many IBD symptoms may be the result of an imbalance of bacteria, or in other > words, too many bad bacteria and not enough good ones. > You can buy probiotics at any health food store. By taking the "pro" biotics > you can help restore your intestines to a healthy state. I’ve seen a number > of studies, and many people post, that say they have helped. Even if they > help a little they can be worth trying. But as with any supplement, quality > is important. The bacteria need to be alive in order to help. So they have > to be kept refridgerated. > I’ve tried a number of products and the one I like best is by Nature’s Way – > called Primodophylus Bifidus. The cost is about $18 for a 3 month supply so > it’s not a big risk. I’ve read a lot of studies and there is virtually no > down side or negative side-effects. > Check it out -> http://www.naturesway.com/products_catalog/ > Regards, > Jeff > I don’t know what Probiotics is…would be interested in a url to > learn. Thanks. Nora > >After having surgery 2 years ago and finding out 6 months ago that my > >Crohns returned to the same spot and is worse than it was prior to the > >surgery, I decided that I am not going the surgery route again until > >I have exhausted all other resources. I had done research and found > >that Probiotics, through clinical trials, have shown very positive > >results and decided to start taking them myself. I’ve been taking > >them religously, along with my other meds (mesalamine (Pentasa), > >budesonide (Entocort EC), azathioprine (Imuran)) and have noticed that > >I have had little problems since that last major flare-up 6 months > >ago. The biggest improvement has been in the bowel movements, which > >have been fewer and bulkier; much fewer episodes of diarrhea, even > >going weeks at a time without a case. Has anyone else had > >favorable/unfavorable results with probiotics? I’m not 100% sold that > >it’s the Probiotics that is doing the trick, it could very well be the > >budesonide for all I know. While I was on Prednisone for 5 years > >though, I didn’t get these results except for bad side effects. > >I was wondering if any of you have also had positive and/or negative > >results from the probiotics? > >Thanks for your input.

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Good information, thanks.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here is some info I got on probiotics from USANA’s tech services. > Acidophilus is the shortened name for the bacteria, Lactobacillus > acidophilus, a type of "friendly" or beneficial bacteria that normally live > in the intestine. > Most people who are recommended acidophilus are those who have been on > long-term antibiotic treatment. When you take an antibiotic, the "friendly" > bacteria are often eliminated, along with the bacteria that cause the > infection. This may lead to diarrhea and excess gas. > Deficiencies of Acidophilus have been associated with health problems of the > digestive system. Other friendly bacteria, such as Lactobacillus bulgaricus > can also be helpful in these situations. > Some varieties of yogurt contain Lactobacillus acidophilus and other types > of beneficial bacteria like Lactobacillus Bulgaricus, Lactobacillus > Bifidus, S. Thermophilus, S. Bifidus. Read the ingredients list and look > for these names or for "live active culture". Avoid types of yogurt that > are high in calories and contain a lot of sugar and fat; also frozen yogurt > generally does not contain any of the "friendly" bacteria. Other diary > products that contain beneficial bacteria are buttermilk, cheeses, kefir, > and acidophilus milk. Sauerkraut that is raw and salt free also contains > Acidophilus. Another beneficial bacteria is Bacillus laterosporus. > If you are interested in taking capsules or tablets that contain > Acidophilus, look for them in health food stores in the refrigerated areas. > The capsules should be stored in your refrigerator at home, not at room > temperature. Some supplements may also include other bacteria, like > Lactobacillus Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus, S. Bifidus. These bacteria also > help to restore beneficial bacteria and bring a balance to digestive tract. > What to look for in a probiotic supplement: > – The most common strains of probiotics are Lactobacillus acidophilus for > the small intestine and Bifidobacterium bifidum for the large intestine. > – Probiotics should always be refrigerated before and after opening. Storage > temperature should be below 3-4oC7. > – FOS or fructo-oligosaccharides (a prebiotic) is often added to promote the > growth of selected strains of bacteria. Synthesized naturally from sucrose, > it is not digested by the small intestine but is fermented in the colon. A > linear relationship has been found between the amount of FOS consumed and > the count of bifidobacteria in the intestine. The optimal and well-tolerated > dose of FOS has been found to be 2000-3000 mg per day. While excess FOS > could cause excess gas, abdominal cramps, and bloating, many probiotics have > only small amounts of FOS in the range of 200mg. > – Each capsule or dose should contain more than 1 billion viable bacteria. > The minimum therapeutic dose is suggested to be 108-109 cells per day. More > bacteria per capsule or dose is preferable, since the bacteria must survive > during shelf life and then after ingestion, during transit through the > acidic conditions of the stomach and hydrolytic enzymes and bile salts in > the small intestine. > – Bifidobacteria is anaerobic, meaning that it lives and grows in the > absence of oxygen. One study found that bifidobacteria could survive and > multiply better in glass bottles than plastic containers, probably because > oxygen cannot permeate glass bottles easily. For this reason, also look for > opaque containers. > – Look for products that have vitamin C (ascorbic acid), whey protein, or > cysteine added. Vitamin C acts as an oxygen- scavenging agent and can > improve the survival and multiplication of bacteria such as Lactobacillus. > Studies have found that whey protein and the amino acid cysteine also > improve the viability of bacteria. > When selecting a probiotic, it is necessary to consider the intended use of > the probiotic, its source, its site of isolation and characteristics of the > strain. It is wise to consult a health care provider such as a qualified > nutritionist who can evaluate the options and recommend the most appropriate > probiotic supplement. > Yes, I’ve been talking up probiotics for at least several years. They’ve > helped me a lot. As you mention they help increase the bulk, which I > believe > helps maintain the integrity and continuity of the stool so that I now > usually only take a dump once a day. But the probiotics are only one part > of > what I do. And I believe I’ve taken some that were less effective then > others. > Right now I take a brand by Nature’s Way called Primodophilus Bifidus. > It’s > a combination very similar to VSL#3 but I believe much less expensive. The > main thing to watch for is that they need to be refridgerated, especially > before you buy them. I buy my probiotics from a very reputable whole foods > store. I don’t recommend getting them from Wal-Mart. > Glad to hear you are getting help from them. > Regards, > Jeff > > After having surgery 2 years ago and finding out 6 months ago that my > > Crohns returned to the same spot and is worse than it was prior to the > > surgery, I decided that I am not going the surgery route again until > > I have exhausted all other resources. I had done research and found > > that Probiotics, through clinical trials, have shown very positive > > results and decided to start taking them myself. I’ve been taking > > them religously, along with my other meds (mesalamine (Pentasa), > > budesonide (Entocort EC), azathioprine (Imuran)) and have noticed that > > I have had little problems since that last major flare-up 6 months > > ago. The biggest improvement has been in the bowel movements, which > > have been fewer and bulkier; much fewer episodes of diarrhea, even > > going weeks at a time without a case. Has anyone else had > > favorable/unfavorable results with probiotics? I’m not 100% sold that > > it’s the Probiotics that is doing the trick, it could very well be the > > budesonide for all I know. While I was on Prednisone for 5 years > > though, I didn’t get these results except for bad side effects. > > I was wondering if any of you have also had positive and/or negative > > results from the probiotics? > > Thanks for your input.

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Probiotics are simply bacteria. But not just any bacteria, they are bacteria that have been identified as having beneficial functions in the digestive tract. Science has shown that there are at least 200-300 different bacteria that inhabit the intestines. Some of them are bad and can cause serious problems such as with food poisoning and some of them may be necessary for good intestinal health. There is a good body of evidence that suggests that many IBD symptoms may be the result of an imbalance of bacteria, or in other words, too many bad bacteria and not enough good ones. You can buy probiotics at any health food store. By taking the "pro" biotics you can help restore your intestines to a healthy state. I’ve seen a number of studies, and many people post, that say they have helped. Even if they help a little they can be worth trying. But as with any supplement, quality is important. The bacteria need to be alive in order to help. So they have to be kept refridgerated. I’ve tried a number of products and the one I like best is by Nature’s Way – called Primodophylus Bifidus. The cost is about $18 for a 3 month supply so it’s not a big risk. I’ve read a lot of studies and there is virtually no down side or negative side-effects. Check it out -> http://www.naturesway.com/products_catalog/ Regards, Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t know what Probiotics is…would be interested in a url to > learn. Thanks. Nora >After having surgery 2 years ago and finding out 6 months ago that my >Crohns returned to the same spot and is worse than it was prior to the >surgery, I decided that I am not going the surgery route again until >I have exhausted all other resources. I had done research and found >that Probiotics, through clinical trials, have shown very positive >results and decided to start taking them myself. I’ve been taking >them religously, along with my other meds (mesalamine (Pentasa), >budesonide (Entocort EC), azathioprine (Imuran)) and have noticed that >I have had little problems since that last major flare-up 6 months >ago. The biggest improvement has been in the bowel movements, which >have been fewer and bulkier; much fewer episodes of diarrhea, even >going weeks at a time without a case. Has anyone else had >favorable/unfavorable results with probiotics? I’m not 100% sold that >it’s the Probiotics that is doing the trick, it could very well be the >budesonide for all I know. While I was on Prednisone for 5 years >though, I didn’t get these results except for bad side effects. >I was wondering if any of you have also had positive and/or negative >results from the probiotics? >Thanks for your input.

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Here is some info I got on probiotics from USANA’s tech services. Acidophilus is the shortened name for the bacteria, Lactobacillus acidophilus, a type of "friendly" or beneficial bacteria that normally live in the intestine. Most people who are recommended acidophilus are those who have been on long-term antibiotic treatment. When you take an antibiotic, the "friendly" bacteria are often eliminated, along with the bacteria that cause the infection. This may lead to diarrhea and excess gas. Deficiencies of Acidophilus have been associated with health problems of the digestive system. Other friendly bacteria, such as Lactobacillus bulgaricus can also be helpful in these situations. Some varieties of yogurt contain Lactobacillus acidophilus and other types of beneficial bacteria like Lactobacillus Bulgaricus, Lactobacillus Bifidus, S. Thermophilus, S. Bifidus. Read the ingredients list and look for these names or for "live active culture". Avoid types of yogurt that are high in calories and contain a lot of sugar and fat; also frozen yogurt generally does not contain any of the "friendly" bacteria. Other diary products that contain beneficial bacteria are buttermilk, cheeses, kefir, and acidophilus milk. Sauerkraut that is raw and salt free also contains Acidophilus. Another beneficial bacteria is Bacillus laterosporus. If you are interested in taking capsules or tablets that contain Acidophilus, look for them in health food stores in the refrigerated areas. The capsules should be stored in your refrigerator at home, not at room temperature. Some supplements may also include other bacteria, like Lactobacillus Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus, S. Bifidus. These bacteria also help to restore beneficial bacteria and bring a balance to digestive tract. What to look for in a probiotic supplement: – The most common strains of probiotics are Lactobacillus acidophilus for the small intestine and Bifidobacterium bifidum for the large intestine. – Probiotics should always be refrigerated before and after opening. Storage temperature should be below 3-4oC7. – FOS or fructo-oligosaccharides (a prebiotic) is often added to promote the growth of selected strains of bacteria. Synthesized naturally from sucrose, it is not digested by the small intestine but is fermented in the colon. A linear relationship has been found between the amount of FOS consumed and the count of bifidobacteria in the intestine. The optimal and well-tolerated dose of FOS has been found to be 2000-3000 mg per day. While excess FOS could cause excess gas, abdominal cramps, and bloating, many probiotics have only small amounts of FOS in the range of 200mg. – Each capsule or dose should contain more than 1 billion viable bacteria. The minimum therapeutic dose is suggested to be 108-109 cells per day. More bacteria per capsule or dose is preferable, since the bacteria must survive during shelf life and then after ingestion, during transit through the acidic conditions of the stomach and hydrolytic enzymes and bile salts in the small intestine. – Bifidobacteria is anaerobic, meaning that it lives and grows in the absence of oxygen. One study found that bifidobacteria could survive and multiply better in glass bottles than plastic containers, probably because oxygen cannot permeate glass bottles easily. For this reason, also look for opaque containers. – Look for products that have vitamin C (ascorbic acid), whey protein, or cysteine added. Vitamin C acts as an oxygen- scavenging agent and can improve the survival and multiplication of bacteria such as Lactobacillus. Studies have found that whey protein and the amino acid cysteine also improve the viability of bacteria. When selecting a probiotic, it is necessary to consider the intended use of the probiotic, its source, its site of isolation and characteristics of the strain. It is wise to consult a health care provider such as a qualified nutritionist who can evaluate the options and recommend the most appropriate probiotic supplement.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes, I’ve been talking up probiotics for at least several years. They’ve > helped me a lot. As you mention they help increase the bulk, which I believe > helps maintain the integrity and continuity of the stool so that I now > usually only take a dump once a day. But the probiotics are only one part of > what I do. And I believe I’ve taken some that were less effective then > others. > Right now I take a brand by Nature’s Way called Primodophilus Bifidus. It’s > a combination very similar to VSL#3 but I believe much less expensive. The > main thing to watch for is that they need to be refridgerated, especially > before you buy them. I buy my probiotics from a very reputable whole foods > store. I don’t recommend getting them from Wal-Mart. > Glad to hear you are getting help from them. > Regards, > Jeff > After having surgery 2 years ago and finding out 6 months ago that my > Crohns returned to the same spot and is worse than it was prior to the > surgery, I decided that I am not going the surgery route again until > I have exhausted all other resources. I had done research and found > that Probiotics, through clinical trials, have shown very positive > results and decided to start taking them myself. I’ve been taking > them religously, along with my other meds (mesalamine (Pentasa), > budesonide (Entocort EC), azathioprine (Imuran)) and have noticed that > I have had little problems since that last major flare-up 6 months > ago. The biggest improvement has been in the bowel movements, which > have been fewer and bulkier; much fewer episodes of diarrhea, even > going weeks at a time without a case. Has anyone else had > favorable/unfavorable results with probiotics? I’m not 100% sold that > it’s the Probiotics that is doing the trick, it could very well be the > budesonide for all I know. While I was on Prednisone for 5 years > though, I didn’t get these results except for bad side effects. > I was wondering if any of you have also had positive and/or negative > results from the probiotics? > Thanks for your input.

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I don’t know what Probiotics is…would be interested in a url to learn. Thanks. Nora – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->After having surgery 2 years ago and finding out 6 months ago that my >Crohns returned to the same spot and is worse than it was prior to the >surgery, I decided that I am not going the surgery route again until >I have exhausted all other resources. I had done research and found >that Probiotics, through clinical trials, have shown very positive >results and decided to start taking them myself. I’ve been taking >them religously, along with my other meds (mesalamine (Pentasa), >budesonide (Entocort EC), azathioprine (Imuran)) and have noticed that >I have had little problems since that last major flare-up 6 months >ago. The biggest improvement has been in the bowel movements, which >have been fewer and bulkier; much fewer episodes of diarrhea, even >going weeks at a time without a case. Has anyone else had >favorable/unfavorable results with probiotics? I’m not 100% sold that >it’s the Probiotics that is doing the trick, it could very well be the >budesonide for all I know. While I was on Prednisone for 5 years >though, I didn’t get these results except for bad side effects. >I was wondering if any of you have also had positive and/or negative >results from the probiotics? >Thanks for your input.

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Probiotics certainly don’t hurt but I bet it’s the Imuran which is making you healthy. It takes 3-9 months to start working, usually 6-9 to work 100% so there is a delayed reaction.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After having surgery 2 years ago and finding out 6 months ago that my > Crohns returned to the same spot and is worse than it was prior to the > surgery, I decided that I am not going the surgery route again until > I have exhausted all other resources. I had done research and found > that Probiotics, through clinical trials, have shown very positive > results and decided to start taking them myself. I’ve been taking > them religously, along with my other meds (mesalamine (Pentasa), > budesonide (Entocort EC), azathioprine (Imuran)) and have noticed that > I have had little problems since that last major flare-up 6 months > ago. The biggest improvement has been in the bowel movements, which > have been fewer and bulkier; much fewer episodes of diarrhea, even > going weeks at a time without a case. Has anyone else had > favorable/unfavorable results with probiotics? I’m not 100% sold that > it’s the Probiotics that is doing the trick, it could very well be the > budesonide for all I know. While I was on Prednisone for 5 years > though, I didn’t get these results except for bad side effects. > I was wondering if any of you have also had positive and/or negative > results from the probiotics? > Thanks for your input.

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Yes, I’ve been talking up probiotics for at least several years. They’ve helped me a lot. As you mention they help increase the bulk, which I believe helps maintain the integrity and continuity of the stool so that I now usually only take a dump once a day. But the probiotics are only one part of what I do. And I believe I’ve taken some that were less effective then others. Right now I take a brand by Nature’s Way called Primodophilus Bifidus. It’s a combination very similar to VSL#3 but I believe much less expensive. The main thing to watch for is that they need to be refridgerated, especially before you buy them. I buy my probiotics from a very reputable whole foods store. I don’t recommend getting them from Wal-Mart. Glad to hear you are getting help from them. Regards, Jeff

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After having surgery 2 years ago and finding out 6 months ago that my Crohns returned to the same spot and is worse than it was prior to the surgery, I decided that I am not going the surgery route again until I have exhausted all other resources. I had done research and found that Probiotics, through clinical trials, have shown very positive results and decided to start taking them myself. I’ve been taking them religously, along with my other meds (mesalamine (Pentasa), budesonide (Entocort EC), azathioprine (Imuran)) and have noticed that I have had little problems since that last major flare-up 6 months ago. The biggest improvement has been in the bowel movements, which have been fewer and bulkier; much fewer episodes of diarrhea, even going weeks at a time without a case. Has anyone else had favorable/unfavorable results with probiotics? I’m not 100% sold that it’s the Probiotics that is doing the trick, it could very well be the budesonide for all I know. While I was on Prednisone for 5 years though, I didn’t get these results except for bad side effects. I was wondering if any of you have also had positive and/or negative results from the probiotics? Thanks for your input.

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Yes, I’ve been taking two sachets of VSL#3 per day since my last flare two months ago. So far so good. I believe it’s helping me to reduce my dose of pred (down from 50mg to 5mg per day), although I’m also taking azathioprine and asacol. Right now I have no symptoms of UC. But it’s a treacherous disease and I’m aware that anything could happen in the future. Steve

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I didn’t notice anything negative or positive from them. FYI – I had the ones that are storred in a refridgerator.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Has anyone had any problems with probiotics before, I was taking them for > about three days when I started to get a lot of stomach pain and thought it > was a blockage, I has eaten nothing else that would cause the pain but I > know I was stressed at the time and don’t know whether it was coincidence or > not. > Michele

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personally……i would not use the stuff without a doctor’s concurrence. jeffy

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Has anyone had any problems with probiotics before, I was taking them for about three days when I started to get a lot of stomach pain and thought it was a blockage, I has eaten nothing else that would cause the pain but I know I was stressed at the time and don’t know whether it was coincidence or not. Michele

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yes…took VSL #3…had major D…all water and a very sore tail. Still have 5 boxes of the stuff and can’t bring myself to try it again!

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Hi Michele, There is a chance that this could have been a Herxheimer reaction. Basically, when taking the probiotics you can kill off ‘bad’ bacteria/organisms which in turn can release toxins into the bloodstream that cause ill effects. These can range from skin rashes to headaches, well, pretty much anything really. If you’re not sure whats been happening then this could be an explanation. I would suggest you look into this and apply it to your case and see if it fits your circumstances. When I first took probiotics I had muscle cramps and itchy skin (plus the occasional headache) which lasted for about 3 weeks before subsiding. I would suggest reducing your probiotic intake to get used to them before building back up again but I’m not a doctor so do your own research first and be comfortable with what you’re doing. Ray.

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I’ve been taking probiotics for over 4 years now and they have never caused any problems. mgbio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Has anyone had any problems with probiotics before, I was taking them for > about three days when I started to get a lot of stomach pain and thought it > was a blockage, I has eaten nothing else that would cause the pain but I > know I was stressed at the time and don’t know whether it was coincidence or > not. > Michele

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> Has anyone had any problems with probiotics before, I was taking them for > about three days when I started to get a lot of stomach pain and thought it > was a blockage, I has eaten nothing else that would cause the pain but I > know I was stressed at the time and don’t know whether it was coincidence or > not. > Michele

Hi Michele I tried probiotics once. It was primal defense. The same thing happened to me. I was running to the bathroom about 20 times a day with terrible cramps. I ended up in the hospital shortly thereafter. I was pretty ill to begin with so I really don’t know if it was the probiotics or the disease. I just purchased a different type of probiotic that someone recommended here. I haven’t started yet, but I’d like to give it another try. Good Luck Grace

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hi—congrats on finding something that works for you—which probiotic do you take? mel

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Actually I do something kind of weird – may because I am kind of weird. But what I do is I take 2 different types (and brands) and alternate each day. One of the ones I take is by Renew Life called Flora More and it is a combination of, I think, around 4 to 6 different strains of beneficial bacteria. The other one I take is called Primadophilus Bifidus by Nature’s Way. I get these both at my local health food store. The Primadophilus Bifidus contains a "good" bacteria called b.bifidium which is known to inhabit the large intestines. The theory, or my theory, is that this could be more beneficial to people suffering from Ulcerative Colitis which is what I have. This alternatiing between brands that contain different strains of bacteria seems to really help. I only take one with lunch as I sometimes seem to have very long poops (in terms of footage that is) and taking more just doesn’t seem necessary. Also you must keep this stuff refrigerated. They are living creatures so to speak and will die if let out in the open dry air and sunlight too long. Anyway hope this helps. Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > hi—congrats on finding something that works for you—which probiotic do you > take? > mel

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Is anyone involved in the probiotic research going on at the moment? Im in ireland but its also being carried out in other countries around Europe.

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No, but would like to hear more about it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Is anyone involved in the probiotic research going on at the moment? Im in > ireland but its also being carried out in other countries around Europe.

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I’m involved with my own probiotic research. I take one probiotic a day at lunch. This is after taking one 500mg of Cipro in the morning. I now take a dump once a day and it is well formed. When I don’t take the probiotice I have less volume to my stool and it doesn’t come out as easily. If you haven’t figured it out yet the cause of IBD is from lack of good bacteria in combination with too much bad (pathogenic) bacteria. Treatment for this can be approached in different ways. Probiotics combined with the right anitbiotic is one method. Certain diets such as the elimination or SCD are other methods. Nutritional supplements which often include food based enzymes can also help in re-balancing the intestinal flora by aiding proper digestion. At this point I personally don’t need to see scientific research validate this because my own personal experience has. I realize this means almost nothing to you because I could be trying to pull one over on you and you don’t know me from a hole in the wall. So you need to try things and decide for yourself what the truth is. No doctor or study or me can tell you that so why wait, do what your gut (no pun intended) tells you makes sense. If you think that your IBD is caused as a result of bad digestion then you need a nutritional or food (diet) based program to (eventually) make you healthy. Drugs will only mask symptoms and can be good on the short term. I use them and could not do without them but I don’t want to keep taking them for the rest of my life either. So I have combined that with a nutritional program that helps nurish my body to keep all my vital functions vital. Anyway, ‘nuf said for now. Regards, Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Is anyone involved in the probiotic research going on at the moment? Im in > ireland but its also being carried out in other countries around Europe.

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I dont know if this thing is makin any differnce to my crohns. i dont feel any changes but then again im in remission after a course of steroids. 2 b honest, its a pain in the ass havin 2 drink this stuff that tastes like a dirty sock every day for a year!!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m involved with my own probiotic research. I take one probiotic a day at > lunch. This is after taking one 500mg of Cipro in the morning. I now take a > dump once a day and it is well formed. When I don’t take the probiotice I have > less volume to my stool and it doesn’t come out as easily. If you haven’t > figured it out yet the cause of IBD is from lack of good bacteria in > combination with too much bad (pathogenic) bacteria. Treatment for this can be > approached in different ways. Probiotics combined with the right anitbiotic is > one method. Certain diets such as the elimination or SCD are other methods. > Nutritional supplements which often include food based enzymes can also help in > re-balancing the intestinal flora by aiding proper digestion. > At this point I personally don’t need to see scientific research validate this > because my own personal experience has. I realize this means almost nothing to > you because I could be trying to pull one over on you and you don’t know me > from a hole in the wall. So you need to try things and decide for yourself what > the truth is. No doctor or study or me can tell you that so why wait, do what > your gut (no pun intended) tells you makes sense. If you think that your IBD is > caused as a result of bad digestion then you need a nutritional or food (diet) > based program to (eventually) make you healthy. Drugs will only mask symptoms > and can be good on the short term. I use them and could not do without them but > I don’t want to keep taking them for the rest of my life either. So I have > combined that with a nutritional program that helps nurish my body to keep all > my vital functions vital. > Anyway, ‘nuf said for now. > Regards, > Jeff > Is anyone involved in the probiotic research going on at the moment? Im in > ireland but its also being carried out in other countries around Europe.

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thank you so much guys! heard it all the time ! didn’t know what it was!!:)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What is Probiotics? what is it for? what does it do? > Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does and where I can buy it? > Marci

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Marci, probiotics is acidophilus. It’s good bacteria. It’s good to take it when you’re taking antibiotics. I buy the Sundown brand at Wal-Mart called Acidophilus xtra. — Take Care, Sherry :o)

What is Probiotics? what is it for? what does it do?

> Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does and where I can buy it? > Marci

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Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does and where I can buy it? Marci

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Probiotics: suppliments composed of good bacteria needed by your gut. Helps balance out the bad bacteria with the good. Be careful with off the shelf stuff….alot of it is not quality controlled. Was looking into it myself and decided against it for now. Cheers, Brad CD Class of 87

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I bought some at Rite aid one time.. but heard its not good for people with crohns to take it. Its like when a woman takes antibotics and she gets a yeast infection.. Stops the yeast infection… Im not taking it anymore. http://www.highveld.com/probiotic.html Ann

> Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does and where I can buy it? > Marci

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What is Probiotics? what is it for? what does it do?

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Ann you heard wrong, the studies are proving it helps Crohn’s. BTW I tried the link it did not work. Could you post again? Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I bought some at Rite aid one time.. but heard its not good for people with >crohns to take it. Its like when a woman takes antibotics and she gets a >yeast infection.. Stops the yeast infection… Im not taking it >anymore. >http://www.highveld.com/probiotic.html >Ann > Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does and where I can buy it? > Marci >— >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >—–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– >http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >—–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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