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<snip> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This building up and tearing down takes place in the face of an apparent > paradox. The greatest majority of these biochemical reactions do not take > place spontaneously. The phenomenon of catalysis makes possible biochemical > reactions necessary for all life processes. Catalysis is defined as the > acceleration of a chemical reaction by some substance which itself undergoes > no permanent chemical change. The catalysts of biochemical reactions are > enzymes and are responsible for bringing about almost all of the chemical > reactions in living organisms. Without enzymes, these reactions take place > at a rate far too slow for the pace of metabolism. > Another talks about some important digestive enzymes. > Examples: > a.. the protease pepsin works best as a pH of 1-2 (found in the stomach) > while > b.. the protease trypsin is inactive at such a low pH but very active at a > pH of 8 (found in the small intestine as the bicarbonate of the pancreatic > fluid neutralizes the arriving stomach contents).
Well the above describes a bit about what enzymes do, it doesn’t address the issue in discussion, i.e. that plant enzymes do not aid or help in human digestion. The enzyme pepsin which you’ve listed above, would help inactivate any plant enzymes or other proteins. The same would hold true for any non-enteric enzyme supplement.
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I will readily admit that I don’t know a lot about how enzymes work. But I did a little search and it appears that they are very important factors and catalysts for the bio-chemical processes of the body. One web site had this to say: The living cell is the site of tremendous biochemical activity called metabolism. This is the process of chemical and physical change which goes on continually in the living organism. Build-up of new tissue, replacement of old tissue, conversion of food to energy, disposal of waste materials, reproduction – all the activities that we characterize as "life." This building up and tearing down takes place in the face of an apparent paradox. The greatest majority of these biochemical reactions do not take place spontaneously. The phenomenon of catalysis makes possible biochemical reactions necessary for all life processes. Catalysis is defined as the acceleration of a chemical reaction by some substance which itself undergoes no permanent chemical change. The catalysts of biochemical reactions are enzymes and are responsible for bringing about almost all of the chemical reactions in living organisms. Without enzymes, these reactions take place at a rate far too slow for the pace of metabolism. Another talks about some important digestive enzymes. Examples: a.. the protease pepsin works best as a pH of 1-2 (found in the stomach) while b.. the protease trypsin is inactive at such a low pH but very active at a pH of 8 (found in the small intestine as the bicarbonate of the pancreatic fluid neutralizes the arriving stomach contents). Anyway, in answer to the question as to why would a plant contain products to digest itself, well that is part of the paradox. I believe all things contain elements of their own destruction. Just takes the right circumstances to trigger it. tx Jeff
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just to clarify, you stated emphatically that no one needs enzymes. I > corrected that statement and gave the lactose example. > I didn’t say that. I always try to include lactose intolerance as a > case where enteric-coated enzymes *might* help. Other enzyme > deficiencies do exist but are relatively rare. >>The body is capable of making >>virtually all it’s own enzymes. Think about it, why would the human >>body evolve to rely on foreign(plant) enzymes for digestion? > Think about it, why would the body evolve on needing bacteria for > digestion??? But it does. Who can say exactly why, it just does. Same with > plant enzymes. They help break down the plant cells so we can better digest > the material. Our bodies are dependant on a lot of things both inside and > outside of them. The world has many symbiotic relationships. > There is a symbiotic relationship between some bacteria and the human > body. Such a relationship does not exist with plants and humans. Why > would a plant evolve to have enzymes that digest the plant itself? > Anyway, allow me to explain quickly. Enzymes (with the exception of > some catalytic RNA enzymes) are proteins. Ingested proteins are broken > down by the body into their constituent amino acids. These amino acids > are absorbed into the bloodstream in the small intestine. The amino > acids are then used by the body to construct the proteins required by > the human body, i.e. DNA-> RNA-> protein. The body does not use the > plant proteins/enzymes for anything.
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> Just to clarify, you stated emphatically that no one needs enzymes. I > corrected that statement and gave the lactose example.
I didn’t say that. I always try to include lactose intolerance as a case where enteric-coated enzymes *might* help. Other enzyme deficiencies do exist but are relatively rare. >The body is capable of making >virtually all it’s own enzymes. Think about it, why would the human >body evolve to rely on foreign(plant) enzymes for digestion? > Think about it, why would the body evolve on needing bacteria for > digestion??? But it does. Who can say exactly why, it just does. Same with > plant enzymes. They help break down the plant cells so we can better digest > the material. Our bodies are dependant on a lot of things both inside and > outside of them. The world has many symbiotic relationships.
There is a symbiotic relationship between some bacteria and the human body. Such a relationship does not exist with plants and humans. Why would a plant evolve to have enzymes that digest the plant itself? Anyway, allow me to explain quickly. Enzymes (with the exception of some catalytic RNA enzymes) are proteins. Ingested proteins are broken down by the body into their constituent amino acids. These amino acids are absorbed into the bloodstream in the small intestine. The amino acids are then used by the body to construct the proteins required by the human body, i.e. DNA-> RNA-> protein. The body does not use the plant proteins/enzymes for anything.
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> Most people do not have enzymes deficiencies. I’ve also said before > that lactose intolerance is one of the few cases where enteric coated > enzymes supplementation could be useful.
Just to clarify, you stated emphatically that no one needs enzymes. I corrected that statement and gave the lactose example. > The body is capable of making > virtually all it’s own enzymes. Think about it, why would the human > body evolve to rely on foreign(plant) enzymes for digestion?
Think about it, why would the body evolve on needing bacteria for digestion??? But it does. Who can say exactly why, it just does. Same with plant enzymes. They help break down the plant cells so we can better digest the material. Our bodies are dependant on a lot of things both inside and outside of them. The world has many symbiotic relationships. > Ramble on Jeff2, ramble on. With posts from you like this one, I’m > pretty close to putting you back in the killfile.
Again you think I am making this stuff up, I am only echoing information that already exists and is thought to be true by a large number of people including the good people at GlaxoSmithKline who bring us the ever popular Beano! thanks, Jeff
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First, just want to apologize for being a little terse in my previous post. We have differences but I’ll try to keep it on a more professional level. Back to the issue at hand.So you are saying that GlaxoSmithKline is full of hot air, they are the ones who make Beano btw. They apparently believe that taking enzymes can really help digestion for many people who have problems. It’s not just my opinion I am stating here. Also true, the sites I posted are selling products. But their statements support mine. And these products have been around for a long time. If these really do nothing then why hasn’t the medical profession made claims against them. Your statement reminds of the time I read an article which appeared in one of the news papers. It was a Q&A column written by a doctor. One person wrote in to ask about brown rice and if it was better than white rice. The doctor’s response was, and I qoute, "brown rice is nothing more than rice with dirt on it". Now that is one of the most absurd and ill-informed statements I’ve every heard. But it exemplifies all too clearly the ignorance that many people in the medical profession have surrounding knowledge about food and nutrition and the long standing misconceptions that many of them have. Also it shows how many doctors feel that since they are knowledgeable in one area that that gives them license to comment in other areas in which they have little to no training and are merely pushing their biased opinion. Regards, Jeff
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> From the Nature’s Way web site. > (in a Q&A section about enzymes) > Do enzymes work differently with raw food versus cooked food? > Raw foods have natural enzymes of their own; however, these enzymes are > killed off when cooked. Enzyme supplements are especially helpful in > breaking down cooked plants; however, they will not interfere with the > assimilation of raw foods. > (from a product usage statement) > Usage > Through direct enzyme supplementation, Broad Spectrum Enzymes help support > the modern diet, which is not abundant in raw foods. These supplements help > to restore food enzymes lost in food processing and cooking.* > This is complete garabage, which is par for the course for many of these > alternative health sites. > Once again showing that Bruce is only spewing his limited opinion on this > subject and produces no supporting evidence to back up his statements. I’m > not saying the above statements are scientific evidence. I’m only posting to > show that there is evidence which completely disputes and contradicts > Bruce’s position. > You posted a website which sells these enzymes. Gee, you think they > might be a little bias and misleading? Enzymes from ingested food > does not "help in digestion". Please go read a scientific site on > digestion and how it works. > A while back he claimed that people have all the enzymes that they need and > don’t need to take any more. Yet that was clearly an ill-informed and false > statement. Many people are lacking in different enzymes and are helped by > taking them. Lactase is just one example of this. And let’s not forget about > Beano! One of the most widely used enzyme products. Check it out at the > official Beano web site -> http://www.beano.net/ > Most people do not have enzymes deficiencies. I’ve also said before > that lactose intolerance is one of the few cases where enteric coated > enzymes supplementation could be useful. The body is capable of making > virtually all it’s own enzymes. Think about it, why would the human > body evolve to rely on foreign(plant) enzymes for digestion? > Ramble on Jeff2, ramble on. With posts from you like this one, I’m > pretty close to putting you back in the killfile.
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> From the Nature’s Way web site. > (in a Q&A section about enzymes) > Do enzymes work differently with raw food versus cooked food? > Raw foods have natural enzymes of their own; however, these enzymes are > killed off when cooked. Enzyme supplements are especially helpful in > breaking down cooked plants; however, they will not interfere with the > assimilation of raw foods. > (from a product usage statement) > Usage > Through direct enzyme supplementation, Broad Spectrum Enzymes help support > the modern diet, which is not abundant in raw foods. These supplements help > to restore food enzymes lost in food processing and cooking.*
This is complete garabage, which is par for the course for many of these alternative health sites. > Once again showing that Bruce is only spewing his limited opinion on this > subject and produces no supporting evidence to back up his statements. I’m > not saying the above statements are scientific evidence. I’m only posting to > show that there is evidence which completely disputes and contradicts > Bruce’s position.
You posted a website which sells these enzymes. Gee, you think they might be a little bias and misleading? Enzymes from ingested food does not "help in digestion". Please go read a scientific site on digestion and how it works. > A while back he claimed that people have all the enzymes that they need and > don’t need to take any more. Yet that was clearly an ill-informed and false > statement. Many people are lacking in different enzymes and are helped by > taking them. Lactase is just one example of this. And let’s not forget about > Beano! One of the most widely used enzyme products. Check it out at the > official Beano web site -> http://www.beano.net/
Most people do not have enzymes deficiencies. I’ve also said before that lactose intolerance is one of the few cases where enteric coated enzymes supplementation could be useful. The body is capable of making virtually all it’s own enzymes. Think about it, why would the human body evolve to rely on foreign(plant) enzymes for digestion? Ramble on Jeff2, ramble on. With posts from you like this one, I’m pretty close to putting you back in the killfile.
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I can eat raw vegetables, although I prefer them cooked, and most people get more nutrients that way if not over-cooked. But I also have no problems with salads which I find very beneficial. But given that, these foods make up probably between 15 to 25% of my total intake. I also eat fruits and nuts without any problems and really enjoy them. As I’ve mentioned before I mostly have problems with acidic stuff. But I would not recommend a raw diet for anyone with IBD. I believe some forms of IBD are due to a lack of ability to process and digest foods. So raw foods which take more energy to digest would not be indicated. It may work for some small number of people, and raw foods contain more enzymes which help in digestion, but too many people especially those with CD seem to have acute reactions to many raw foods. Regards, Jeff
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> he he he he. You are joking, right? I surely hope so. I can’t even > imagine anybody with active IBD eating ANYTHING raw! > Debs >Would love to hear from anyone who has cured Colitis with the raw >vegan diet. I am familiar with Paul Nison who did so and who now >teaches others to do the same… >Thanks! >Jinjee – 100% raw vegan family >www.thegardendiet.com
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> But I would not recommend a raw diet for anyone with IBD. I believe some > forms of IBD are due to a lack of ability to process and digest foods.
Hey if you believe it, it must be true eh? So > raw foods which take more energy to digest would not be indicated. It may > work for some small number of people, and raw foods contain more enzymes > which help in digestion, but too many people especially those with CD seem > to have acute reactions to many raw foods.
Again, enzymes found in food are not used by the body for digestion.
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From the Nature’s Way web site. (in a Q&A section about enzymes) Do enzymes work differently with raw food versus cooked food? Raw foods have natural enzymes of their own; however, these enzymes are killed off when cooked. Enzyme supplements are especially helpful in breaking down cooked plants; however, they will not interfere with the assimilation of raw foods. (from a product usage statement) Usage Through direct enzyme supplementation, Broad Spectrum Enzymes help support the modern diet, which is not abundant in raw foods. These supplements help to restore food enzymes lost in food processing and cooking.* Once again showing that Bruce is only spewing his limited opinion on this subject and produces no supporting evidence to back up his statements. I’m not saying the above statements are scientific evidence. I’m only posting to show that there is evidence which completely disputes and contradicts Bruce’s position. A while back he claimed that people have all the enzymes that they need and don’t need to take any more. Yet that was clearly an ill-informed and false statement. Many people are lacking in different enzymes and are helped by taking them. Lactase is just one example of this. And let’s not forget about Beano! One of the most widely used enzyme products. Check it out at the official Beano web site -> http://www.beano.net/ tx Jeff
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> But I would not recommend a raw diet for anyone with IBD. I believe some > forms of IBD are due to a lack of ability to process and digest foods. > Hey if you believe it, it must be true eh? > So > raw foods which take more energy to digest would not be indicated. It may > work for some small number of people, and raw foods contain more enzymes > which help in digestion, but too many people especially those with CD seem > to have acute reactions to many raw foods. > Again, enzymes found in food are not used by the body for digestion.
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It would put me straight into a casket! I also have severe diverticulosis!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh, yeah – right! This would put me straight into surgery!! > Hugs, Linda > Nut Loaf: (replacement to meat, meat loaf) > This is so tasty, meatloaf will pale in comparison! Filling too. > -Two cups Nuts (Any combination of one or more or all of these: > Brazil Nuts, Almonds, Cashews, Pecans, Pine Nuts, Sunflower Seeds, > Pumpkin Seeds, Walnuts, Hazelnuts) > -Red pepper > -Tomato > -Garlic > -Onions > -Mushrooms > -Whole Pine Nuts > 1.Grind nuts in meat grinder. > 2.Chop vegetables finely and steam for two minutes on low. (This is > breaking > the rule of raw a little but steaming on low for a minute or two you won’t > loose any nutrients). > 3.Mix vegetables and ground nuts. > 4.Optional (this makes it semi-raw recipe): Put in baking pan and bake on > low in oven for two minutes to warm > 5.Spread Tahini Sauce ontop (Raw tahini, lemon juice, honey, and garlic) > … > Not to be a close-minded, unbending sceptic or anything, but I’ll pass. > > Would love to hear from anyone who has cured Colitis with the raw > > vegan diet. I am familiar with Paul Nison who did so and who now > > teaches others to do the same… > > Thanks! > > Jinjee – 100% raw vegan family > > www.thegardendiet.com
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I eat raw fuits and vegetables everyday. When I eat ALITTLE spring mix 3 times a day I feel alot better. If you can disapline yourself to eat nothing but raw food please let me know the results. Stan
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there is someone on alt support thyroid who says she has no more colitis since I think the same guy helped her to convert to the raw food diet. Does the raw food diet not have a group? If I was cured I most likely would not be with a support group any longer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Would love to hear from anyone who has cured Colitis with the raw > vegan diet. I am familiar with Paul Nison who did so and who now > teaches others to do the same…
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Hehe!! Thanks for the giggle! UM MOM Susan
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh, yeah – right! This would put me straight into surgery!! > Hugs, Linda > Nut Loaf: (replacement to meat, meat loaf) > This is so tasty, meatloaf will pale in comparison! Filling too. > -Two cups Nuts (Any combination of one or more or all of these: > Brazil Nuts, Almonds, Cashews, Pecans, Pine Nuts, Sunflower Seeds, > Pumpkin Seeds, Walnuts, Hazelnuts) > -Red pepper > -Tomato > -Garlic > -Onions > -Mushrooms > -Whole Pine Nuts > 1.Grind nuts in meat grinder. > 2.Chop vegetables finely and steam for two minutes on low. (This is > breaking > the rule of raw a little but steaming on low for a minute or two you won’t > loose any nutrients). > 3.Mix vegetables and ground nuts. > 4.Optional (this makes it semi-raw recipe): Put in baking pan and bake on > low in oven for two minutes to warm > 5.Spread Tahini Sauce ontop (Raw tahini, lemon juice, honey, and garlic) > … > Not to be a close-minded, unbending sceptic or anything, but I’ll pass. > > Would love to hear from anyone who has cured Colitis with the raw > > vegan diet. I am familiar with Paul Nison who did so and who now > > teaches others to do the same… > > Thanks! > > Jinjee – 100% raw vegan family > > www.thegardendiet.com
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Oh, yeah – right! This would put me straight into surgery!! Hugs, Linda
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nut Loaf: (replacement to meat, meat loaf) > This is so tasty, meatloaf will pale in comparison! Filling too. > -Two cups Nuts (Any combination of one or more or all of these: > Brazil Nuts, Almonds, Cashews, Pecans, Pine Nuts, Sunflower Seeds, > Pumpkin Seeds, Walnuts, Hazelnuts) > -Red pepper > -Tomato > -Garlic > -Onions > -Mushrooms > -Whole Pine Nuts > 1.Grind nuts in meat grinder. > 2.Chop vegetables finely and steam for two minutes on low. (This is breaking > the rule of raw a little but steaming on low for a minute or two you won’t > loose any nutrients). > 3.Mix vegetables and ground nuts. > 4.Optional (this makes it semi-raw recipe): Put in baking pan and bake on > low in oven for two minutes to warm > 5.Spread Tahini Sauce ontop (Raw tahini, lemon juice, honey, and garlic) > … > Not to be a close-minded, unbending sceptic or anything, but I’ll pass. > Would love to hear from anyone who has cured Colitis with the raw > vegan diet. I am familiar with Paul Nison who did so and who now > teaches others to do the same… > Thanks! > Jinjee – 100% raw vegan family > www.thegardendiet.com
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The only thing I can manage raw is my medication. Are you sure you have the right newsgroup or is this a (not too) subtle post to promote some company’s products, for example Paul Nison’s book(s) and accessories, to desperately ill people and thus mercilessly exploit them? Would love to hear from anyone who has cured Colitis with the raw vegan diet. I am familiar with Paul Nison who did so and who now teaches others to do the same… Thanks! Jinjee – 100% raw vegan family www.thegardendiet.com
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Nut Loaf: (replacement to meat, meat loaf) This is so tasty, meatloaf will pale in comparison! Filling too. -Two cups Nuts (Any combination of one or more or all of these: Brazil Nuts, Almonds, Cashews, Pecans, Pine Nuts, Sunflower Seeds, Pumpkin Seeds, Walnuts, Hazelnuts) -Red pepper -Tomato -Garlic -Onions -Mushrooms -Whole Pine Nuts 1.Grind nuts in meat grinder. 2.Chop vegetables finely and steam for two minutes on low. (This is breaking the rule of raw a little but steaming on low for a minute or two you won’t loose any nutrients). 3.Mix vegetables and ground nuts. 4.Optional (this makes it semi-raw recipe): Put in baking pan and bake on low in oven for two minutes to warm 5.Spread Tahini Sauce ontop (Raw tahini, lemon juice, honey, and garlic) … Not to be a close-minded, unbending sceptic or anything, but I’ll pass. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Would love to hear from anyone who has cured Colitis with the raw > vegan diet. I am familiar with Paul Nison who did so and who now > teaches others to do the same… > Thanks! > Jinjee – 100% raw vegan family > www.thegardendiet.com
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April is not for a few more months.. Mike >he he he he. You are joking, right? I surely hope so. I can’t even >imagine anybody with active IBD eating ANYTHING raw! >Debs >Would love to hear from anyone who has cured Colitis with the raw >vegan diet. I am familiar with Paul Nison who did so and who now >teaches others to do the same… >Thanks! >Jinjee – 100% raw vegan family >www.thegardendiet.com
Drop PANTS before emailing. An education teaches you that you don’t know everything. Intelligence means you know where to find the information you are lacking. mgbio
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Would love to hear from anyone who has cured Colitis with the raw vegan diet. I am familiar with Paul Nison who did so and who now teaches others to do the same… Thanks! Jinjee – 100% raw vegan family www.thegardendiet.com
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he he he he. You are joking, right? I surely hope so. I can’t even imagine anybody with active IBD eating ANYTHING raw! Debs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Would love to hear from anyone who has cured Colitis with the raw >vegan diet. I am familiar with Paul Nison who did so and who now >teaches others to do the same… >Thanks! >Jinjee – 100% raw vegan family >www.thegardendiet.com
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