If you can't get worms-IBD
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If I had that luck, I would have my own garden of vegetables… there are some worms. But the LandLord won’t allow me to do that on top of the building 
Dom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The worm theory of IBD is very interesting and it seems to induce remission > 6 out of 6 in the first studies ( no meds beat that). Hopefully the new > controlled trial will also work out well and we see the results soon. > Apparently the worms induce a strong Th2 response in the immune system, which > down regulates the Th1. So where do I get these worm eggs, a pig farm perhaps > but there not sterile. Anyway what eles can I do to promote Th2. Researching > around quite a bit it seems that L. Salivarius is a strong Th2 promoter also S. > Thermophilus, trying to figure out if they are acutally the same bacteria, lot > of conflicting info on the net. It also seems that some other Lacto bacteria > can promote Th1 which we don’t want to happen. This info is difficult to pin > down exactly,again lots of conflicting info on the net. > Also it seems that lots of vitamin A will promote Th2 response,of course too > much vitamin A is toxic. I remember years ago that vitamin A used to help > somewhat with my colitis. Whether Salivarius will promote the same Th2 response > as the worms I have no idea but it might be worth a shot. The Thermophilus is > used in comercial yogurt cultures and some probiotics. I have taken a lot of > probiotics over the past two years and still have my UC, but I have not > concentrated on taking these strains, nor have I high dosed on vitamin A. > Have fun researching this disease. > Mike F > UC Class of 1980
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> > I have taken a lot of > probiotics over the past two years and still have my UC
Has the worm therapy been tested on both UC and CD yet? I thought only CD so far…
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>Has the worm therapy been tested on both UC and CD yet? I thought only CD so >far…
4 Chrohns and 2 UC people were initially tested. There was a lot of interest in this group a few years ago about the study, interest increases as new people with IBD run across it. I dont believe that in the initial studies it was the placebo effect at work these people were refractory to treatments. From everything I can determine the worm eggs promote a very strong Th2 response in the gut immune system which down regulates the Th1 response which then puts you into remission. It all makes perfect sense, what the meds can’t do well the worms can. Mike F
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Interesting. A quick google search brings up a neat link along these lines. Wonder if there is an actual product I could try. http://www.vsl3.com/vsl3/famularo/highpotency.htm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Researching > around quite a bit it seems that L. Salivarius is a strong Th2 promoter also S. > Thermophilus,
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Looks like they do have a product to sell and are also doing trials. http://www.vslpharma.com/vsl3/ongointrials.htm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Interesting. A quick google search brings up a neat link along these lines. > Wonder if there is an actual product I could try.
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The worm theory of IBD is very interesting and it seems to induce remission 6 out of 6 in the first studies ( no meds beat that). Hopefully the new controlled trial will also work out well and we see the results soon. Apparently the worms induce a strong Th2 response in the immune system, which down regulates the Th1. So where do I get these worm eggs, a pig farm perhaps but there not sterile. Anyway what eles can I do to promote Th2. Researching around quite a bit it seems that L. Salivarius is a strong Th2 promoter also S. Thermophilus, trying to figure out if they are acutally the same bacteria, lot of conflicting info on the net. It also seems that some other Lacto bacteria can promote Th1 which we don’t want to happen. This info is difficult to pin down exactly,again lots of conflicting info on the net. Also it seems that lots of vitamin A will promote Th2 response,of course too much vitamin A is toxic. I remember years ago that vitamin A used to help somewhat with my colitis. Whether Salivarius will promote the same Th2 response as the worms I have no idea but it might be worth a shot. The Thermophilus is used in comercial yogurt cultures and some probiotics. I have taken a lot of probiotics over the past two years and still have my UC, but I have not concentrated on taking these strains, nor have I high dosed on vitamin A. Have fun researching this disease. Mike F UC Class of 1980
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