Traditional Chinese Medicine?
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Quality Multi-Enzymes worked 90% better for my colitis than asulfadine. Med free for 6 years. Had colitis for 26 years. Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Has anyone had any experience with this type of alternative medicine? > Thanks in advance > Peter
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Stan, You are so right about the multi-enzymes. Glad you are well. This is such a shi$$ty illness being passed around. Gail
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Gail, Do you have much control over your colitis? I walk about 40 minutes twice a day and eat less fat and sugar which helps alot. Eating 3 different fruits and vegies a day is hard to do but makes me feel alot better. Short Stories http://stan231.freeservers.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Stan, > You are so right about the multi-enzymes. > Glad you are well. This is such a shi$$ty > illness being passed around. > Gail
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Stan, If ever there was a mind, body connection in an illness, crohns is the ultimate example. There is no other cause. The stimulant use of one person translates to harm to a second & third, etc. person. It is a mysterious and unexplainable enigma. I have some control over the colitis, but it also manifests itself in many other ways. Stimulants are rampant, and having friends and family are the keymost factor in acquiring the illness before one is aware that the person is on a stimulant. Taken by surprise, the damage is done quickly, but thereafter it may ease, once the awareness of who may be causing the illness is an advantage in trying to curb it. Of course no one intentionally means to hurt a person. It is just the nature of the illness. I try not to eat much fat, or heavy foods, nothing that will lay like cement in the digestive tract, I do eat some sugar, and fruits are no problem for the most part. I find the mind plays the largest part in the illness. There is much I can say, but it would take a book to say it all. It really is a simple cause, and yet complex when trying to relate it in terms that apparently do not get across. Lucky is the person who is affected by only one person, and when that relationship ends, the illness ends. The biggest problem is that most people will not cease the stimulant, as their comfort is paramount. Tranquillizers like Valium and Ativan could serve almost the same purpose as anti-depressants, and eliminate much of the incidence of crohns and other symptoms not recognized as crohns, , but they are controlled substances and they say are addictive. Not that many people get addicted, and besides what is that compared to the damage of crohns. The FDA needs to be made to understand the destructive situation they create. And Xanax, Buspar, Depakote, Flexeril, natural herbs with natural stimulants (kava kava, st johns wort, etc. etc.) can cause crohns also. They are not true tranquillizers. The stigma Valium and Ativan carry should be abolished, as they are nothing compared to the anti-depressant and all the other garbage we are made to feel is necessary to lead a normal life. I will agree stimulants give a person a feeling of power, but if that power did not translate into harm for someone else, they would be allright. It is a paradox of a situation. The good and the bad of the anti-depressants. The herb Valerian (similar to valium) by Nature’s resource is a good aid in relieving stress but it only lasts two hours. I can go on for hours, by my strength does not allow it. I hope everyone can glean something from the words many call unintelligible. It is a thought process that not many can grasp or believe. Be well. Gail One indication of the efficiency of the theory, is that when one thinks of the person on the stimulants, they will feel the symptoms of crohns. t.
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Hi, I have experience with accupressure treatments. The energy principals are very, very similar. The accupressure, one session in particular, got me over a big "hump" in my recovery from a severe flare. I also take pred and asacol. These meds were working very slowly until I started the accupressure. My name is on a wait list for a chinese medicine practitioner. I am hoping that I have similar success with this route. I should mention that I have been seeing a naturopath, with minimal success. (This may be due to not enough time invested in this course of treatment). My belief is that you find what works for you. Being drawn to something is your first indication that it may work for you. Best of luck and wishes, NinaW
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> Flatus Ohlfahrt (Brilliant!) & Annie > Thanks for pdf I’ll print that at work in the morning and read through it on > the train. > One of the few benefits of being a Xerox employee, Cheers. > But how good does Iced Blueberry tea sound? > I’ll be sniffing out some of that this week. > I wouldn’t normally drink iced tea (always boiled) but I’ll gve that a go > Thank you > Peter > peter
all the herbal teas are good iced except, in my opinion, chamomile..tho i once gave it iced to someone who had a headache and didnt want it hot.. i havent made the blueberry iced yet..i go thru it so fast drinking it hot at night..just made a pitcher of iced peppermint tho..yum..gets one thru the heatwaves… these are also good when the gut is active…u need to not get dehydrated and they are easy to take..i have a whole cupboard filled with varieties of them..good luck annie
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->IIRC so is healing touch. I think that’s what ir’s called, it’s where >someone waves their hand over you to take away the pain or osme crap. it >was made famous by that young girl doing an eperiment that debunks a >major aspect to it. > If you can find a reference to BMJ or any similar major > professional body supporting this "healing touch" I’d be > interested to see it and to read why they did so. I can’t > find any such supporting evidence. > As I said before, I don’t advocate acupuncture, but perhaps > I should have added, when peer reviewed medical journals are > involved, I do try to keep an open mind. > [To email go to my address and take out the dog...]
I’ll try to track it down, I saw it on a show here called Catalyst sometime ago. It was being offered to patients along with normal practices. To help them recover faster from surgery.
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Flatus Ohlfahrt (Brilliant!) & Annie Thanks for pdf I’ll print that at work in the morning and read through it on the train. One of the few benefits of being a Xerox employee, Cheers. But how good does Iced Blueberry tea sound? I’ll be sniffing out some of that this week. I wouldn’t normally drink iced tea (always boiled) but I’ll gve that a go Thank you Peter
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The reason for this posting originally was to see if anyone > could point me in the direction of a TCM tea/herbal remedy > and not to divulge from conventional medicine. I’m not > particularly fond of needles and don’t suffer greatly from > pain – thankfully! So for acupunture, read team of wild > horses ;0) > Well, there’s undoubtedly some non-Western remedy that would > provide a modification to your symptoms. That said, the actual > fusion of Oriental and Western techniques is much more > complicated. > Here’s a short paper by the World Health Organization giving > their thoughts on the fusion: > http://www.wpro.who.int/pdf/trad_mod_med.pdf > FWIW, I spent most of the 1960s in Korea and Vietnam. I’ve seen > many people appear to be in better health after treatment using > Oriental methods. I believe it’s a huge mistake to dismiss the > thousands of years old body of medical knowledge developed in the > Far East. > Flatus
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> The reason for this posting originally was to see if anyone could point me > in the direction of a TCM tea/herbal remedy and not to divulge from > conventional medicine. I’m not particularly fond of needles and don’t > suffer greatly from pain – thankfully! So for acupunture, read team of wild > horses ;0) > i agree annie..i failed to mention i integrated using > naturopath/accupunct/chinese herbs &a GI… > carol
lol well i highly rcommend chamomile tea to help alleviate some symtoms..cramps, nausea(also peppermint is good for nausea but some people get heartburn from it) chamomile also helps u to relax and is great for sleep.. when we are home in boston we grow a lot of herbs in our garden..especially mint..and i go out and pick mint leaves to chew on sometimes when i am not feeling well…great for nausea.. ginger is also good for lots of tummy related issues.. sucking on a lemon is good if u are nauseated from medicine(like 6mp, imuran) i find that chamomile helps relieve some pain..but other teas also..green tea which isnt herbal helps cramps.. blueberry tea is simply delicious..and i make pitchers of herbal iced tea to keep by the bed at night..and to sip on during the day… u can get herbal teas very inexpensively at the supermarkets..watch for sales.. annie
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Well you shouldn’t really feel an acupuncture needle prick since it shouldn’t pierce far enough into your skin. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The reason for this posting originally was to see if anyone could point me > in the direction of a TCM tea/herbal remedy and not to divulge from > conventional medicine. I’m not particularly fond of needles and don’t > suffer greatly from pain – thankfully! So for acupunture, read team of wild > horses ;0) >i agree annie..i failed to mention i integrated using >naturopath/accupunct/chinese herbs &a GI… > carol
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I’ve been using TCM herbs successfully since 1996 to control my U.C. Prior to that, Prednisone and Asacol failed to quell a severe flareup. I have taken no prescription meds since July, 1996. Also, I feel it necessary to mention that diet plays a big role in IBD, in spite of what the conventional medical establishment may think. Tom
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> Has anyone had any experience with this type of alternative medicine? > Thanks in advance > Peter
hi peter i havent myself..but a friend of mine had breast cancer and chose to go the alternative medicine route rather than traditional treatment..the cancer spread and by the time she felt she had made a mistake..it was too late..she died at 36..so i am SO not an advocate of giving up traditional medicine..however…in addition to traditional medicine…some alternatives might help alleviate some of the symptoms..i have heard from friends that acupuncture helped manage pain..and from others that certain herbs helped certain problems..but i have never heard of anyone cured of anything using only alternative medicine..not that there is a cure for crohns or colitis..i think any alternative that one wants…combined with traditional..is probably the best way to go good luck annie
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i agree annie..i failed to mention i integrated using naturopath/accupunct/chinese herbs &a GI… carol
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The reason for this posting originally was to see if anyone could point me in the direction of a TCM tea/herbal remedy and not to divulge from conventional medicine. I’m not particularly fond of needles and don’t suffer greatly from pain – thankfully! So for acupunture, read team of wild horses ;0)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i agree annie..i failed to mention i integrated using > naturopath/accupunct/chinese herbs &a GI… > carol
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Has anyone had any experience with this type of alternative medicine? >>Thanks in advance >>Peter >It’ll "work" if you believe in it. So will faith healing, lay on >hands,cast cure critical wounds etc. Accupuncture may have some benefits >that arn’t known right now, but AFAIK it hasn’t been better than a >placebo effect. > I am no advocate of acupuncture but I believe that I’ve read > in several places that it is now available in many medical > facilities (hospitals, clinics, etc) as an effective means > of dealing, short term, with certain problems such as severe > headaches, IBS etc. Not, of course, anything like CD or UC. > Here’s a link to a number of articles from the British > Medical Journal with some comments… Now if only this WOULD > work for IBD! > http://www.globalfamilydoctor.com/JournalWatch2004/item270.htm > [To email go to my address and take out the dog...]
IIRC so is healing touch. I think that’s what ir’s called, it’s where someone waves their hand over you to take away the pain or osme crap. it was made famous by that young girl doing an eperiment that debunks a major aspect to it.
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Hi Santa, I should’ve given you more info in my original post. Don’t just take my word on it, as the annonymity of usenet allows people to post any old thing 
http://www.quackwatch.org/ is generally a well respected site that looks at alot of that stuff you might be pointed to in the look for pain relief. Direct links for the two things you asked about in the parent: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/acu.html The best thing about the site is that it gives you cites from where the information was taken from, and it’s as simple as asking your GP about what Medical/scientific jouranls are respected to find out if the info is worthwhile. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > C & R > Many thanks for the friendly and informed responses, > I’ll err on the side of caution and save my spare cash for the time being. > Cheers > Peter >>Has anyone had any experience with this type of alternative medicine? >>Thanks in advance >>Peter >It’ll "work" if you believe in it. So will faith healing, lay on >hands,cast cure critical wounds etc. Accupuncture may have some benefits >that arn’t known right now, but AFAIK it hasn’t been better than a >placebo effect. >Generally if something works it’s called just called Medicine No need >for any additions like Complementary, Alternative etc.
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Has anyone had any experience with this type of alternative medicine? Thanks in advance Peter
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peter~ i tried trad.chinese med.and accupunture at the same time. i did get pain relief some of the time after the accu.but for me it only lasted a few hours. the herb alos didnot help me. i ‘m giessing that it may work for some though. take care carol
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> Has anyone had any experience with this type of alternative medicine? > Thanks in advance > Peter
It’ll "work" if you believe in it. So will faith healing, lay on hands,cast cure critical wounds etc. Accupuncture may have some benefits that arn’t known right now, but AFAIK it hasn’t been better than a placebo effect. Generally if something works it’s called just called Medicine No need for any additions like Complementary, Alternative etc.
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C & R Many thanks for the friendly and informed responses, I’ll err on the side of caution and save my spare cash for the time being. Cheers Peter
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Has anyone had any experience with this type of alternative medicine? > Thanks in advance > Peter > It’ll "work" if you believe in it. So will faith healing, lay on > hands,cast cure critical wounds etc. Accupuncture may have some benefits > that arn’t known right now, but AFAIK it hasn’t been better than a > placebo effect. > Generally if something works it’s called just called Medicine No need > for any additions like Complementary, Alternative etc.
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